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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by dbs
You come across refereshingly different from most other muslim (supporters.)

trunxkam45;218708actually no, there are several who believe the same as I do. However you never hear about us because of the media and websites like faith freedom. It's much easier to report the negatives.

You are correct. I withdraw my comment as I realise now that it was premature.
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I like you. People say I have no taste, but I like you.

Very interesting thread. I do not know many details about islam. I had a few (female) muslim classmates growing up till 12th grade. Almost none at engineering college, ditto for higher education in the US and ditto for the workforce in the US. Have yet to come across any muslim girls in the workforce in the US.

I am pretty sure it is not for lack of brains.

Hindu girl was force converted to Islam in Pak. I am waiting to see how our secular friends would justify this incident.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/apr/23/hindu-girl-forced-to-convert-held-in-pak-madrassa.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Deoband-fatwa-Its-illegal-for-women-to-work-support-family/articleshow/5919153.cms
[quote]LUCKNOW: Darul Uloom Deoband, the self-appointed guardian for Indian Muslims, in a Talibanesque fatwa that reeked of tribal patriarchy, has decreed that it is "haram" and illegal according to the Sharia for a family to accept a woman's earnings. Clerics at the largest Sunni Muslim seminary after Cairo's Al-Azhar said the decree flowed from the fact that the Sharia prohibited proximity of men and women in the workplace.

"It is unlawful (under the Sharia law) for Muslim women to work in the government or private sector where men and women work together and women have to talk with men frankly and without a veil," said the fatwa issued by a bench of three clerics. The decree was issued over the weekend, but became public late on Monday, seminary sources said.... [/quote]I read somewhere that Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband is the Harvard/Oxford of Islamic studies. :emcrook:

Really pity munna_bhai's state. Alone and no one to support, the rest piling on facts and arguments on him....

After reading this thread and another (http://www.r2iclubforums.com/forums/showthread.php/11706-Islam-and-Hinduism) I am glad I am an athiest and can laugh / condemn all religions without any emotional attachment.

Well, my 2cents now,

It has been happening for a long time: Men exploiting women. Irrespective of religions, skin colour and nationality. I hope ppl would wake up and work towards equality and treating the fairer sex fairly, instead of quoting from ancient, irrelevant texts. It is 21st century after all. We could write a new Revelation: one based on fairness, equality and justice.

foxbatneo;282240Hindu girl was force converted to Islam in Pak. I am waiting to see how our secular friends would justify this incident.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/apr/23/hindu-girl-forced-to-convert-held-in-pak-madrassa.htm

Shhh... Islam is peaceful religion so no fighting/protest, convert peacfully.
Secularist will ignore this, they have selectve sight/hearing.

anuma;287821
It has been happening for a long time: Men exploiting women. Irrespective of religions, skin colour and nationality. I hope ppl would wake up and work towards equality and treating the fairer sex fairly, instead of quoting from ancient, irrelevant texts. It is 21st century after all. We could write a new Revelation: one based on fairness, equality and justice.

So, what have you been doing to work towards equality? May be, we can adopt the same practice.

foxbatneo;282240 I am waiting to see how our secular friends would justify this incident.

r2i_100;287824Secularist will ignore this, they have selectve sight/hearing.

The above two views display a woefully poor understanding of secularism / secularists.

Could be that the fundamentalist thought is blind to secularist viewpoints and hence ignorant? Should ignorant views be excused? No, generally, they are better off ignored.

Or perhaps, it is a misguidedly poor and malicous attempt at denigrating secular thought .

PeterGriffin;287827So, what have you been doing to work towards equality? May be, we can adopt the same practice.

Ensure females within our family are treated fairly. Offer equal opportunities in education and profession. Give them equal share in property. Voice our concern in public fora [like this one]

I should thank my father for instilling these values in our family. Inspite of the fact the he was from a traditional priest class...

Desi;287833The above two views display a woefully poor understanding of secularism / secularists.

Could be that the fundamentalist thought is blind to secularist viewpoints and hence ignorant? Should ignorant views be excused? No, generally, they are better off ignored.

Or perhaps, it is a misguidedly poor and malicous attempt at denigrating secular thought .

I feel it is other way round, this is right understaning. So called secularists donot follow the correct definition of secularism.

in practical life I have seen secularists pick and choose issues and generally are "afraid" to speak up on issues that may displease minority community.