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Posted: **Mon May 25, 2009 1:54 pm**

Desi;175542It is a lame excuse that followers of Modi dish out. Hindutva is 80 years old and the activities have been there since then.
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It's not a lame excuse if you read the entire paragraph or post instead of nit picking. Reproducing the key sentence from the original paragraph
tejasvee;175520Thus Hindutva came into mainstream during 70's and 80's, culminating in propelling a party that supported that to power in late 90's. [/quote]

If Hindutva was well accepted by mainstream prior to 70's or 80's, how come Jan Sangh was not having 300 members in parliament in early days?

Hint: The word "secularism" (along with 'socialistic") was added to constitution of India from backdoor during the undemocratic emergency period by CON lady Indira Gandhi.

What is a truly lame excuse is when someone blames Hindutva as a cause of 'secular' IT (Islamic Terrorism) activities in India. :emthdown: India has always been a secular society because majority of population are Hindus and majority of that section of society are truly secular. It's not a rocket science, but a very simple reality of Indian society, well expressed by MJ Akbar.

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pixelshrek;175682Misconstrued Hindutwa [/quote]
Should have been "Ignorant understanding of Hindutva"

pixelshrek;175682 However term Hindu itself is nothing to do with religion but derived from Indus i.e.name for Sindhu river delta people named by Persian as Hindu where S from Sindhu pronounced as H and becomes Hindu. [/quote]
Then how come the same Persians don't say Hamosa for Samosa (Dish), Hikandar for Sikandar (Name), Hurma for Surma (Cosmetic), Hikaar for Shikaar (Prey), Hipahi for Sipahi (soldier) or Harod for Sarod (instrument)? Why did they nitpick only Hindu for Sindhu?

pixelshrek;175682 No wonder after Moghuls invasion all these down trodden people became Muslims and their ranks grew. Before Moghul invasion there were no Muslim religion or people. [/quote]

Pure BS. :emsmilep: A quick read of whom Babar the grand daddy of Mughal empire fought during his war in 1526 will help. Islam was in Indian subcontinent for well over 6 centuries before Mughals.

Hint: Ibrahim Lodhi was not a Hindu Brahmin as far as I know. I don't know which history book you have read to display this unabashed ignorance.

pixelshrek;175682 It was classic Vedic class system drove them out of Hindu fold. So blame lies with them. These Vedic Brahmins couldn’t protect people so Sikhs created their own religion of warriors. [/quote]

Hindu societies were divided based on occupation. Those in charge of wars or carrying arms in defense were not Brahmins. A bit of reading would help.

pixelshrek;175682 Secular ideology will survive even if it is tented one. Hindutwa will never succeed if you want peace and prosperity and violence will never lead a great nation,.. [/quote]
India is secular because majority Hindus are secular.
Hindutva has wide array of meanings and one of them means 'being a Hindu'. It's similar to Muslims claiming Islamiyat.
Modern day Hindutva is a direct reaction to pampering of Muslims & Christians in India by subsequent 'secular' CON & other governments. When minorityism dies, Hindutva will have no reason to exist. A reaction will have no meaning when the triggering action disappears.

An analogy would be that of the identity 'a'theist. If the concept of God disappears overnight, what would be the identity of an 'a'theist? :emsmile:

Posted: **Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:24 pm**

Don't know if this is the appropriate thread, but...

Subramanian Swamy's article in DNA -> Analysis: How to wipe out Islamic terror

[quote]I advocate the following strategy to negate the political goals of Islamic terrorism in India.

Goal 1: Overawe India on Kashmir.
Strategy: Remove Article 370 and resettle ex-servicemen in the valley. Create Panun Kashmir for the Hindu Pandit community. Look for or create an opportunity to take over PoK. If Pakistan continues to back terrorists, assist the Baluchis and Sindhis to get their independence.

Goal 2: Blast temples, kill Hindu devotees.
Strategy: Remove the masjid in Kashi Vishwanath temple and the 300 masjids at other temple sites.

Goal 3: Turn India into Darul Islam.
Strategy: Implement the uniform civil code, make learning of Sanskrit and singing of Vande Mataram mandatory, and declare India a Hindu Rashtra in which non-Hindus can vote only if they proudly acknowledge that their ancestors were Hindus. Rename India Hindustan as a nation of Hindus and those whose ancestors were Hindus.

Goal 4: Change India?s demography by illegal immigration, conversion, and refusal to adopt family planning.
Strategy: Enact a national law prohibiting conversion from Hinduism to any other religion. Re-conversion will not be banned. Declare that caste is not based on birth but on code or discipline. Welcome non-Hindus to re-convert to the caste of their choice provided they adhere to the code of discipline. Annex land from Bangladesh in proportion to the illegal migrants from that country staying in India. At present, the northern third from Sylhet to Khulna can be annexed to re-settle illegal migrants.

Goal 5: Denigrate Hinduism through vulgar writings and preaching in mosques, madrassas, and churches to create loss of self-respect amongst Hindus and make them fit for capitulation.
Strategy: Propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.

India can solve its terrorist problem within five years by such a deterrent strategy, but for that we have to learn the four lessons outlined above, and have a Hindu mindset to take bold, risky, and hard decisions to defend the nation. If the Jews could be transformed from lambs walking meekly to the gas chambers to fiery lions in just 10 years, it should not be difficult for Hindus in much better circumstances (after all we are 83% of India), to do so in five years.[/quote]

Posted: **Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:29 pm**

boca2blr;401555Subramanian Swamy's article in DNA

Item 1 was followed by British to reduce majority of catholics in NI.

Posted: **Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:06 am**

http://www.countercurrents.org/gatade100312.htm

How does India allow a private organization's school (Bhonsala Military School) to train kids on militant ways? If this school did conduct training camps for terror, how different is this from training camps for terror across the border? Has anyone heard of this school? Comments?

"India's situation was better during the British rule" - Mohan Bhagwat (RSS) - wonder if he said that and in what context...

Posted: **Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:19 am**

boca2blr;466993http://www.countercurrents.org/gatade100312.htm

How does India allow a private organization's school (Bhonsala Military School) to train kids on militant ways? If this school did conduct training camps for terror, how different is this from training camps for terror across the border? Has anyone heard of this school? Comments?

"India's situation was better during the British rule" - Mohan Bhagwat (RSS) - wonder if he said that and in what context...

Seems like a minority school that is exempt from the RTE* strictures.

And that comment by Mohan Bhagwat (RSS) is about the rights of Gays to get married.... and how that was not possible during the British Times.
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One is reminded of its founders' yearning for the 'military regeneration of Hindus : so that the artificial distinction emphasised by the British of marital and non-marital classes amongst Hindus may disappear'

*RTE - right to education, which requires even private schools to accept poor and under-privileged students to a certain percent of their enrollment. However, according to a supreme court ruling, schools established to promote some minority creed are exempt from this requirement.

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