Morality, ethics and religion

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ksheer3
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Ethical frameworks and morality.
I distinguish between ethics and morality, though both terms have similar roots (mores --- norms of behavior and ethos/ethykos ---- code of conduct). I associate morality with religion or faith ? for no reason other than that I had a subject at school called ?moral science? taught by priests. That was after catechism was proscribed for students of a different faith. I consider ethics a more secular philosophy. While I have heard of universal ethics I have not come across terms like universal morals or morality. Also the secular nature of the frameworks is evident from their application to wide ranging human endeavors. We talk of ethical standards in academics but rarely of moral guidelines. We also have the following:
Business ethics [ Contracts, product liabilities, global trade]
Bio-ethics [Abortion/euthanasia, cloning/GM, environment]
Professional Ethics / Deontology [kshatriya dharma, bushido, Hippocratic oath].
We are rarely called upon to make life-and-death decisions (trolley problem or mercy killing) but how does one go about making every-days decisions on minor matters? How do we resolve an ethical dilemma?
For the serious student there is a 12- part (@ 1hr) lecture by a Harvard Ethicist
http://www.justiceharvard.org/

Those with less time will find a primer here:
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/decision/framework.html
I have some excerpts from the site ? it begins with what ethics is NOT and then provides the frameworks for making ethical decisions including step-by-step guidance.
1. Ethics is not the same as feelings. 2. Ethics is not religion. 3. Ethics is not following the law. 4. Ethics is not following culturally accepted norms. 5. Ethics is not science.
Frameworks:
The Utilitarian Approach
Some ethicists emphasize that the ethical action is the one that provides the most good or does the least harm, or, to put it another way, produces the greatest balance of good over harm.

The Rights Approach
Other philosophers and ethicists suggest that the ethical action is the one that best protects and respects the moral rights of those affected.

The Fairness or Justice Approach
Aristotle and other Greek philosophers have contributed the idea that all equals should be treated equally.

The Common Good Approach
The Greek philosophers have also contributed the notion that life in community is a good in itself and our actions should contribute to that life.

The Virtue Approach
A very ancient approach to ethics is that ethical actions ought to be consistent with certain ideal virtues that provide for the full development of our humanity.


Given several optional courses of action we should ask {based on the context}:


  • Which option will produce the most good and do the least harm? (The Utilitarian Approach)
  • Which option best respects the rights of all who have a stake? (The Rights Approach)
  • Which option treats people equally or proportionately? (The Justice Approach)
  • Which option best serves the community as a whole, not just some members?
    (The Common Good Approach)

  • Which option leads me to act as the sort of person I want to be? (The Virtue Approach)


Not all approaches are suitable for all contexts and some questions will yield very weak answers.
I hold that moralists ask similar questions but judge the answers based on a code written by organized religion.
All of this still begs the question --- can a moral person be ethical and can an ethical act be morally right?
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ksheer3;272094

Given several optional courses of action we should ask {based on the context}:


  • Which option will produce the most good and do the least harm? (The Utilitarian Approach)
  • Which option best respects the rights of all who have a stake? (The Rights Approach)
  • Which option treats people equally or proportionately? (The Justice Approach)
  • Which option best serves the community as a whole, not just some members?
    (The Common Good Approach)

  • Which option leads me to act as the sort of person I want to be? (The Virtue Approach)


Not all approaches are suitable for all contexts and some questions will yield very weak answers.
I hold that moralists ask similar questions but judge the answers based on a code written by organized religion.
All of this still begs the question --- can a moral person be ethical and can an ethical act be morally right?

Can a person be immoral but ethical and vice versa. For example, can some one covet his neighbor's spouse thereby be immoral as per ten commandments but be ethical at the same time because his neighbor's wife is also benefitted if neighbor doesn't care? (Just a hypothetical qn:-))
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Business ethics [ Contracts, product liabilities, global trade]
Bio-ethics [Abortion/euthanasia, cloning/GM, environment]
Professional Ethics / Deontology [kshatriya dharma, bushido, Hippocratic oath].
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Shouldn't there be a personal ethics along with business and professional ethics?
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This is a subject that lends itself to all kinds of hypotheticals from pushing a fat man in front of a train-- to stealing a needed drug for your ailing son. And there are no right/wrong answers.
Morality gives the illusion of absolute. Thus infidelity is bad under all circumstances -- no ifs, ands or buts. How about "thou shalt not kill" --- except in defence of one's god, prophet or "church"?
Ethics provides a range of frameworks as guideposts -- no absolutes. Thus infidelity may be ethical when using the utilitarian approach --- which is the weakest under the circumstances. How about applying aretaic framework --- virtue approach and ask "what kind of a person do I want to be?" or "is the community better served by my action?". could the latter qn have been the original intent of the commandment?
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layman;272104Shouldn't there be a personal ethics along with business and professional ethics?

Ethics --- code associated with (membership in)an organization and enforced with penalties.
Business ethics --- code for businessmen. Similarly medical ethics and sportsmanship.
In this view -- I'd be hard put to define "personal ethics". Personal code in what setting, given by whom and how enforced?
The religious minded consider personal ethics - a covenant with the divinity to follow scriptural edicts with penalties for transgressions. That is morality.
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LOOK WHO IS TALKING!!!
Babies are born with a sense of ethics.
A growing body of evidence, though, suggests that humans do have a rudimentary moral sense from the very start of life. With the help of well-designed experiments, you can see glimmers of moral thought, moral judgment and moral feeling even in the first year of life. Some sense of good and evil seems to be bred in the bone. Which is not to say that parents are wrong to concern themselves with moral development or that their interactions with their children are a waste of time. Socialization is critically important. But this is not because babies and young children lack a sense of right and wrong; it?s because the sense of right and wrong that they naturally possess diverges in important ways from what we adults would want it to be.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/magazine/09babies-t.html?src=me&ref=homepage
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layman;260160My qn is, for an average person, is it possible to be virtuous, honest and ethical without fear of god? Without a frame of ethical code borrowed from religion will he be able to lead a virtuous life if he does not have fear of afterlife, punishment of sin - blah blah... Can every human being evolve to that level of maturity to conduct himself with honesty, morality on his own volition?

Though the below article doesn't address possibilities, it addresses "how belief in the supernatural might have conferred some advantage and made us into the species we are today."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129528196

Got to the above from this article by Frans De Waal (primatologist), which is a decent article, as well with respect to "morals without god" : http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/morals-without-god/

On "moral beings", this interesting statement caught my eye in the above article:
[quote]We have no evidence that other animals judge the appropriateness of actions that do not affect themselves.[/quote]
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"We have no evidence that other animals judge the appropriateness of actions that do not affect themselves."

Interesting indeed! No animal analogies here but if that were the case with mankind, forums would go out of business. :)
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modus_vivendi;383086"We have no evidence that other animals judge the appropriateness of actions that do not affect themselves."

Interesting indeed! No animal analogies here but if that were the case with mankind, forums would go out of business. :)

I was thinking of the benefits vs. drawback of "judging the appropriateness of actions that do not affect themselves".
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boca2blr;383085Though the below article doesn't address possibilities, it addresses "how belief in the supernatural might have conferred some advantage and made us into the species we are today."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129528196

Got to the above from this article by Frans De Waal (primatologist), which is a decent article, as well with respect to "morals without god" : http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/morals-without-god/

On "moral beings", this interesting statement caught my eye in the above article:


Altrusim in animals


  • Dogs often adopt orphaned cats, squirrels, ducks and even tigers.[6]
  • Dolphins support sick or injured animals, swimming under them for hours at a time and pushing them to the surface so they can breathe.[7]
  • Wolves and wild dogs bring meat back to members of the pack not present at the kill.[citation needed]
  • Male baboons threaten predators and cover the rear as the troop retreats.[citation needed]
  • Gibbons and chimpanzees with food will, in response to a gesture, share their food with others of the group.[citation needed] Chimpanzees will help humans and conspecifics without any reward in return.[8]
  • Bonobos have been observed aiding injured or handicapped bonobos.[9]
  • Vampire bats commonly regurgitate blood to share with unlucky or sick roost mates that have been unable to find a meal, often forming a buddy system.[10][11]
  • Raccoons inform conspecifics about feeding grounds by droppings left on commonly shared latrines. A similar information system has been observed to be used by common ravens.[12]
  • In numerous bird species, a breeding pair receives support in raising its young from other "helper" birds, including help with the feeding of its fledglings.[13] Some will even go as far as protecting an unrelated bird's young from predators [14]
  • Most mammal carnivores like wolves or dogs have a habit of not harming pack members below certain age, of opposite sex or in surrendering position (in case of some animals, the behavior exists within entire species rather than one pack).[citation needed]
  • Vervet Monkeys give alarm calls to warn fellow monkeys of the presence of predators, even though in doing so they attract attention to themselves, increasing their personal chance of being attacked.[15]
  • Walruses have been seen adopting orphans who lost their parents to predators.[16]
  • Some termites release a sticky secretion by fatally rupturing a gland near the skin in their neck. This autothysis defends against invading ants by creating a tar baby effect.[17]
  • Meerkats often have one standing guard to warn whilst the rest feed in case of predators attack.
  • African buffalo will rescue a member of the herd captured by predators.
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Desi;383093Altrusim in animals[/quote]
I don't know if you posted the above in response to this quote:
[quote]We have no evidence that other animals judge the appropriateness of actions that do not affect themselves.[/quote]
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